However, with optimism, a positive outcome is expected, so pleasure is not as important. When an optimist expects a positive outcome that turns out to be negative, it only leads to an expected conclusion, not a positive surprise. The outcome for a pessimist is more surprising, making them emotionally joyful because it is a positive conclusion. When a pessimist expects a negative outcome that turns out to be positive, it leads to happy relief. Paul also says that “pessimism can also allow for a sense of relief when we succeed in getting what we want” (Paul). According to Aaron Sackett, a psychologist at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, “Optimists never experience the joy of a pleasant surprise” (The Uses and Abuses…). Certain situations arise where a good thing happens. For a pessimist, these are happy surprises. However, for an optimist, these situations provide less pleasure because they are expected.